Oda Nobuhide (1510-1551)

Nobody is ever anybody without their parents, right?

Looking for pictures of Nobuhide here, Nobunaga’s good ol’ daddy, is a chore. These were among the top results in Google search and the rest were just irrelevant. I guess nobody cared what he looks like?

If I thought looking for information on Nobunaga’s sons was tough, this was worst. What did his uma-jirushi (horse banners) look like? Dunno. Did he just fly the Oda caln mon on his sashimono or did he have a personal crest like Nobunaga did? Dunno.

He was apparently a strong and ferocious enough guy to earn himself the nickname “Tiger of Owari”, but… other than the battles he did, I could hardly find any other trivia.

Taira no Sukemori, one of the… supposed ancestors of the Oda clan. It’s either him or another guy named Chikazane, also from the Taira family. 

Sukemori is a grandson of the great Taira no Kiyomori, who is pretty much doing almost the same thing Nobunaga was doing, i.e making demands to the higher-ups (in this case the emperor because shoguns do not exist yet) and excercizing a lot of power in state affairs, so I thought the relation is rather funny.

At some point Nobunaga also claimed the family descended from the Fujiwara, so… there really was no telling if that was even true or not. I mean, it IS possible to be descended from both lines, but really…

Taira no Sukemori, one of the… supposed ancestors of the Oda clan. It’s either him or another guy named Chikazane, also from the Taira family.

Sukemori is a grandson of the great Taira no Kiyomori, who is pretty much doing almost the same thing Nobunaga was doing, i.e making demands to the higher-ups (in this case the emperor because shoguns do not exist yet) and excercizing a lot of power in state affairs, so I thought the relation is rather funny.

At some point Nobunaga also claimed the family descended from the Fujiwara, so… there really was no telling if that was even true or not. I mean, it IS possible to be descended from both lines, but really…

daeva-agas:
[pointless chatter]
It’s not rude to call it “pointless chatter” because that was my own post.
I just wanted to draw Nobutada in his horned helmet. He supposedly wore one of those in the battle with Matsunaga Hisahide for luck/protection, as deers are considered messengers of gods.

daeva-agas:

[pointless chatter]

It’s not rude to call it “pointless chatter” because that was my own post.

I just wanted to draw Nobutada in his horned helmet. He supposedly wore one of those in the battle with Matsunaga Hisahide for luck/protection, as deers are considered messengers of gods.

daeva-agas:

According to this one website I read, back in the ye olde times the inhabitants of Japan are short. Very short.
At 165 cm (about 5’5”), Nobu there is considered a very tall guy. Horses are about 135 cm (4’5”) tall.
I’m about Ieyasu’s height (157 cm/5’2”). Nobu would be… about my dad’s height. Huh.
Also. LOL. Hideyoshi is such a midget. I knew he’s supposed to be kind of short, but I never expected the people to be this small!

An aside.

daeva-agas:

According to this one website I read, back in the ye olde times the inhabitants of Japan are short. Very short.

At 165 cm (about 5’5”), Nobu there is considered a very tall guy. Horses are about 135 cm (4’5”) tall.

I’m about Ieyasu’s height (157 cm/5’2”). Nobu would be… about my dad’s height. Huh.

Also. LOL. Hideyoshi is such a midget. I knew he’s supposed to be kind of short, but I never expected the people to be this small!

An aside.

daeva-agas:

Happy 480th Birthday, Nobu! 8 full cycle of the 60-year elemental stems and zodiacs! Nobu was born in 1534, the year of the Wood Horse Junior (or Yin Wood Horse), which is the same zodiac/element for this year! A good year to celebrate, LOL.
The actual Gregorian date for his birthday is June 23, buuuut the Japanese usually opt to adopt the Lunar date as the actual date (12th day of the 5th month —> 12 May), so I’m celebrating today, ahah!
I live in a dorm with no kitchen, so no dango party this year. So I just made this little book. Japanese-style bookbinding done by hand :D

Actually, maybe it’s not a good year to celebrate. This year’s horoscope for those with those born in the year of the horse kind of matches the incident of Honnouji (“Beware of treachery from someone close to you. Please manage your relationships carefully”).
BTW, Honnouji also happened in the year of the Horse. The element was Water, though.

daeva-agas:

Happy 480th Birthday, Nobu! 8 full cycle of the 60-year elemental stems and zodiacs! Nobu was born in 1534, the year of the Wood Horse Junior (or Yin Wood Horse), which is the same zodiac/element for this year! A good year to celebrate, LOL.

The actual Gregorian date for his birthday is June 23, buuuut the Japanese usually opt to adopt the Lunar date as the actual date (12th day of the 5th month —> 12 May), so I’m celebrating today, ahah!

I live in a dorm with no kitchen, so no dango party this year. So I just made this little book. Japanese-style bookbinding done by hand :D

Actually, maybe it’s not a good year to celebrate. This year’s horoscope for those with those born in the year of the horse kind of matches the incident of Honnouji (“Beware of treachery from someone close to you. Please manage your relationships carefully”).

BTW, Honnouji also happened in the year of the Horse. The element was Water, though.

Nobuo or Nobukatsu?

There’s been a lot of debates on just how this name is supposed to be  read:

The 雄 kanji by itself reads “o”, so some people go ahead and read it as “Nobuo”.

In one online dictionary, one of the listed “name reading” for this kanji is “katsu”, but it’s a modern dictionary. I’m pretty sure that’s only listed because of the Nobukatsu thing. Which, you know, doesn’t help.

Most people prefer to go by Nobukatsu because of Luis Frois’s accounts in his Historia de Japam. There’s also reportedly this letter that has his name written as “nobukatsu” in kana. It’s unverified, but as far as I know, that’s as good as it gets.

Presumably this name was read “Nobukatsu” instead of the other possible readings, like “Nobuyoshi”, because it used to be written like this: 信勝 (also read Nobukatsu) and the reading was kept to avoid confusion or something.

I can’t find when exactly did he change his name from one spelling to the other (信雄) or why, though. Maybe because his traitorous uncle Nobuyuki was also known as 信勝 and that doesn’t sit well with Nobunaga?

Because… slapping warlord names on food products makes it attractive to fanboys and/or tourists?

Okay, this is not historical note so much as it is modern culture.

It’s one thing if the food product was actually something the person in question likes to eat, such as the Shogun coffee.

This one had little to NOTHING to Nobunaga AT ALL. Sweet cream puffs/cakes? Cheesecake? What?

This makes no sense!

Young Nobunaga in a penis-patterned kimono. This is a scan from one of the magazines that I got from Japan. 
As we all know, there are lots of rumours pertaining to famous people at any given time, so this is one of such rumours. Nobody knew if this was true or not, but… most people nowadays don’t believe it.
Although one has to wonder just how the rumours even started to begin with. You can’t come up with “Lord Oda wore a kimono patterned with images of male genitalia” out of nowhere!
Not that this isn’t possible, though. When Nobunaga went to visit Saito Dousan for the first time, Shinchou ko-ki said he entered town wearing pants made out of leopard skin and tiger skin dyed in 4 different colours. I don’t think such kind of pants is commonplace. He had to have ordered it to be custom-made for him.

Young Nobunaga in a penis-patterned kimono. This is a scan from one of the magazines that I got from Japan.

As we all know, there are lots of rumours pertaining to famous people at any given time, so this is one of such rumours. Nobody knew if this was true or not, but… most people nowadays don’t believe it.

Although one has to wonder just how the rumours even started to begin with. You can’t come up with “Lord Oda wore a kimono patterned with images of male genitalia” out of nowhere!

Not that this isn’t possible, though. When Nobunaga went to visit Saito Dousan for the first time, Shinchou ko-ki said he entered town wearing pants made out of leopard skin and tiger skin dyed in 4 different colours. I don’t think such kind of pants is commonplace. He had to have ordered it to be custom-made for him.

Nobunaga in the 1581 Kyoto cavalcade, from the drama series Gou, Himetachino Sengoku.

It looks like the weird rendition I did a long time ago wasn’t too far off the mark:

Nobutada, Nobukatsu, and Nobutaka’s symbols

First, you have the Oda clan crest. No need to repeat that.

These are Nobutada’s:

Ignore the fact that the butterfly there is straight-out the Taira butterfly. It’s only for the Taira clan association. It was never known whether Nobutada or any of Nobunaga’s other sons wore the Oda butterfly or not.

He has no personal crest. Everything on there already discussed in the Nobunaga one here.

… I am not sure why the “emptiness” is there too, but I’m convinced that the imperial seals come from him inheriting a lot of his father’s ranks. When Nobunaga resigned from his position as Minister of the Right, he attempted to get the emperor to transfer it to his son Nobutada, but it wasn’t clear if the emperor ever approved of it or not.

These are Nobukatsu’s:

See above for the Taira butterfly.

… The one on the right is the sasa-rindou (bamboo leaves and gentian flowers) crest, the crest of the Kitabatake family. Nobukatsu was adopted into that family when he was 12 after Nobunaga subjugated them. They were offshoots of the Minamoto clan, and  shares the same crest. I cannot find whether they have their own personal crest or not.

Look, he has the crests of enemy clans! Isn’t he special? (To anyone who doesn’t know, the Taira and Minamoto are sworn enemies. For further info, look up Genpei war)

And then Nobutaka’s:

The butterfly is there twice because the Kanbe family, the one Nobutaka was adopted into, also wears a butterfly crest.

I cannot find the details about that adoption, but… it’s beside the point right now. Nobutaka really has so little info on him compared to his two brothers, and they both already have so little on them too.